6th August 2004: The Worst Night Of My Life As a Football Fan
Monaco 3- Madrid 1 (Aggregate 5-5). Monaco through on away goals.
Arsenal 1-Chelsea 2 (Aggregate 2-3)
Post 1:
Originally Posted by lisabrasil09
I think I'm going to be sick.
I know exactly how you feel. Arsenal is my 2nd favourite team.At 40 minutes into our match I thought "this is over", let's watch my 2d favourite team and 5 minutes later Reyes scores. I'm on cloud 9 and as the players walk off I go back to Madrid and realise with a shock that it's 1-1. 60 minutes later I feel pysically ill, having pretty much been close to tears for the last 15 minutes, especially during raul's off-side goal and then his miss when Roma played the mis-pass and even then in the last minutes with Roma beaten but losing out to the angle.
Then I find bloody Arsenal lost too. Ths after I have invited 10 people home to watch the 2 most beautiful teams in the world play each other. I can't work today.
Post 2:
I don't understand how anyone can blame valdano. And while Queiroz screwed up, it's not him we should blame. It is Perez. I think Perez has done a great job compared to the idiot before him, and he has brought some of the best talent in the world here. But it is Perez that stops this team from fulfilling its potential with his stupid stubborn idea of Zidanes and pavons, his refusal to but defensive players or value them. It was valdano who wanted Milito and Ayala, and Perez who did not. It was Queiroz who felt the squad lacked depth and requested cover not Perez.
And it's stupid to say that Queiroz did not give the youth team players a chance. Other than Juanfran every youth player who has impressed has played a role. It's not his fault that the players are so useless and while they can be good 1st division players, they are not good enough for real Madrid. And in a team where 2 lost matches is a crisis, he never could experiment, because as Borja proved so spectacularly last night, there is a HUGE difference when the cantera players play, and then it's the coach who gets ******** for it. So what's he supposed to do? If you want him to rotate then at least be patient like the Chelsea fans were. If not, then be prepared to accept that the Real madrid first XI is not a place for experimenting and loan these kids out to develop.
And at some level let's stop kidding ourselves. Borja, Tote last year, Portillo, Reuben.... give them 1000 chances and they will not turn into makalele and raul. let's accept that, and in case anyone believes otherwise, I'm willing to bet a 1000$ right now that neither Borja or Portillo will even come close to Makalele or raul. Heck, Portillo won't even come close to El Moro.
I cannot gloat like some of the other supporters but I see where they are coming from. But we will treat the symptom and not the disease. Queiroz will go. maybe Valdano will go. But the real problem is the policy of Zidanes and pavons, the real problem is the reluctance to go after Chivu or davids or gatusso or Viera or Mexes or Alex or Milito or Puyol or Ayala. the problem is a flawed salary structure that does not pays more to a Beckham than a Casillas or salgado or makalele, all of whom are more fundamental to the team.
The problem is Senor Perez.
Post 3:
And as a Moro fan, I have to say this to teh other fans. Get over your Ronaldo fixation. It's not Ronaldo's fault that Moro was treated badly. And while Moro was a great player, he was/is not even close to Ronaldo who is one of the 2 greatest players of our generation. Yes Moro scored 2 goals against us and Ronaldo had a poor game last night. But over the course of the last 2 seasons, he has been the biggest reason why we reached the semis last year (remember man U?), wonthe league last year (2nd highest scorer despite missing many games) and are leading the league this year (remember what happened to us when he got injured last month?).
Yes he maynot have the work-rate that El Moro has but he is different. He is a genius and every single coach in the world will play him ahead of Moro. So if Moro refused to sit o the bench and decided to play regularly and make it to Euro 2004, let's be happy for him and stop blaming Ronaldo.
Post 4:
Originally Posted by kaberon10
Clearly, everyone knows we need a central D.
More than that we need a defensive midfielder. Starting with valencia and seville, every match we have lost has been because we hve been overrun in midfield. Yes a Bravo and Meija will make mistakes but they are potentially world class and just need some cover from midfield. That cover will never come from a namesake defensive midfielder like Borja or Cambiasso or by playing 2 attacking midfielders.
I also feel maybe it's time for madrid to play a 3-5-3 with 3 central defenders, carlos an salgado as overlapping full-backs and 1 defensive midfielder. Remember edmilson-roque junior-lucio with cafu and carlos on the wings and Gilberto Silva as a screen? Another team with defensive fraities but good tactics... and see the result.
I think we should hire Scolari, sell Borja, and buy 1 forward (as a sub), 1 central defender (Chivu), 2 defensive midfielders (Davis or Gatusso maybe, with 1 understudy). Loan Portillo. Sell Morientes (he will never be a sub and I'd still rather play Ronaldo). Sell Beckham or Figo. Play Juanfran and Minambres.
My 1st XI for next year:
Cassillas
Meija Chivu Helguera
Salgado Figo Davids Zidane Carlos
Raul
Ronaldo
Coach: Scolari
Bench:
Cesar
Bravo Pavon
Minambres, Juanfran, Solari, 1 More Def Midfielder, Guti, Cambiasso (much better than Borja)
Nunez, Another forward
Nunez can of course also play in midfield and Juanfran can play a withdrawn forward.
And while I love Joaquin, he can only come in if we sell Figo.
Monaco 3- Madrid 1 (Aggregate 5-5). Monaco through on away goals.
Arsenal 1-Chelsea 2 (Aggregate 2-3)
Post 1:
Originally Posted by lisabrasil09
I think I'm going to be sick.
I know exactly how you feel. Arsenal is my 2nd favourite team.At 40 minutes into our match I thought "this is over", let's watch my 2d favourite team and 5 minutes later Reyes scores. I'm on cloud 9 and as the players walk off I go back to Madrid and realise with a shock that it's 1-1. 60 minutes later I feel pysically ill, having pretty much been close to tears for the last 15 minutes, especially during raul's off-side goal and then his miss when Roma played the mis-pass and even then in the last minutes with Roma beaten but losing out to the angle.
Then I find bloody Arsenal lost too. Ths after I have invited 10 people home to watch the 2 most beautiful teams in the world play each other. I can't work today.
Post 2:
I don't understand how anyone can blame valdano. And while Queiroz screwed up, it's not him we should blame. It is Perez. I think Perez has done a great job compared to the idiot before him, and he has brought some of the best talent in the world here. But it is Perez that stops this team from fulfilling its potential with his stupid stubborn idea of Zidanes and pavons, his refusal to but defensive players or value them. It was valdano who wanted Milito and Ayala, and Perez who did not. It was Queiroz who felt the squad lacked depth and requested cover not Perez.
And it's stupid to say that Queiroz did not give the youth team players a chance. Other than Juanfran every youth player who has impressed has played a role. It's not his fault that the players are so useless and while they can be good 1st division players, they are not good enough for real Madrid. And in a team where 2 lost matches is a crisis, he never could experiment, because as Borja proved so spectacularly last night, there is a HUGE difference when the cantera players play, and then it's the coach who gets ******** for it. So what's he supposed to do? If you want him to rotate then at least be patient like the Chelsea fans were. If not, then be prepared to accept that the Real madrid first XI is not a place for experimenting and loan these kids out to develop.
And at some level let's stop kidding ourselves. Borja, Tote last year, Portillo, Reuben.... give them 1000 chances and they will not turn into makalele and raul. let's accept that, and in case anyone believes otherwise, I'm willing to bet a 1000$ right now that neither Borja or Portillo will even come close to Makalele or raul. Heck, Portillo won't even come close to El Moro.
I cannot gloat like some of the other supporters but I see where they are coming from. But we will treat the symptom and not the disease. Queiroz will go. maybe Valdano will go. But the real problem is the policy of Zidanes and pavons, the real problem is the reluctance to go after Chivu or davids or gatusso or Viera or Mexes or Alex or Milito or Puyol or Ayala. the problem is a flawed salary structure that does not pays more to a Beckham than a Casillas or salgado or makalele, all of whom are more fundamental to the team.
The problem is Senor Perez.
Post 3:
And as a Moro fan, I have to say this to teh other fans. Get over your Ronaldo fixation. It's not Ronaldo's fault that Moro was treated badly. And while Moro was a great player, he was/is not even close to Ronaldo who is one of the 2 greatest players of our generation. Yes Moro scored 2 goals against us and Ronaldo had a poor game last night. But over the course of the last 2 seasons, he has been the biggest reason why we reached the semis last year (remember man U?), wonthe league last year (2nd highest scorer despite missing many games) and are leading the league this year (remember what happened to us when he got injured last month?).
Yes he maynot have the work-rate that El Moro has but he is different. He is a genius and every single coach in the world will play him ahead of Moro. So if Moro refused to sit o the bench and decided to play regularly and make it to Euro 2004, let's be happy for him and stop blaming Ronaldo.
Post 4:
Originally Posted by kaberon10
Clearly, everyone knows we need a central D.
More than that we need a defensive midfielder. Starting with valencia and seville, every match we have lost has been because we hve been overrun in midfield. Yes a Bravo and Meija will make mistakes but they are potentially world class and just need some cover from midfield. That cover will never come from a namesake defensive midfielder like Borja or Cambiasso or by playing 2 attacking midfielders.
I also feel maybe it's time for madrid to play a 3-5-3 with 3 central defenders, carlos an salgado as overlapping full-backs and 1 defensive midfielder. Remember edmilson-roque junior-lucio with cafu and carlos on the wings and Gilberto Silva as a screen? Another team with defensive fraities but good tactics... and see the result.
I think we should hire Scolari, sell Borja, and buy 1 forward (as a sub), 1 central defender (Chivu), 2 defensive midfielders (Davis or Gatusso maybe, with 1 understudy). Loan Portillo. Sell Morientes (he will never be a sub and I'd still rather play Ronaldo). Sell Beckham or Figo. Play Juanfran and Minambres.
My 1st XI for next year:
Cassillas
Meija Chivu Helguera
Salgado Figo Davids Zidane Carlos
Raul
Ronaldo
Coach: Scolari
Bench:
Cesar
Bravo Pavon
Minambres, Juanfran, Solari, 1 More Def Midfielder, Guti, Cambiasso (much better than Borja)
Nunez, Another forward
Nunez can of course also play in midfield and Juanfran can play a withdrawn forward.
And while I love Joaquin, he can only come in if we sell Figo.
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